April 15, 2026
This Very Moment
Episode 7: From Hardship to Heart-Opening
Show Notes
Episode 7 of This Very Moment features Zen teacher, meditator, and author Diane Musho Hamilton in a rich conversation about learning to be with life as it is.
Diane shares how early encounters with loss and grief left her existentially overwrought. Despite being raised in a family with strong spiritual roots in the Mormon tradition and surrounded by a nurturing natural landscape, she felt that life’s deeper questions were left unanswered. Literature and philosophy were helpful guides, but she needed something more. That something was first discovered at the Naropa Institute (now Naropa University), later deepened with her teacher Genpo Roshi, and further expanded by her training and practice with Ken Wilber and the Integral Institute.
According to Diane, “If Trungpa Rinpoche revealed the Dharma world and Genpo Roshi introduced me to emptiness and to the depths of zazen, then I would say that Ken Wilber gave me permission to evolve and to consider questions and perspectives about spiritual practice that are really pertinent to our time.”
Modeling the profound impact of her Buddhist training, Diane vividly describes how she uses life’s suffering and hardship as a path to awakening, relying on “the confidence that there is something profound, enduring, and inherent that knows how to be with what is.”
In a final comment, Diane summarizes key themes of her newest book, Waking Up and Growing Up, coauthored with her student Gabe Kaigen Wilson, explaining the importance of training in contemplative depth and relationship skills for contemporary practitioners. The conversation closes with her current focus on succession, community, and the simple, enduring happiness of tending a garden.
About the Interviewee
Diane Musho Hamilton is a Zen Roshi, meditator, author, teacher, and acclaimed facilitator whose life’s work focuses on the deep human challenges of relationship and communication. She is a Zen lineage holder under Genpo Merzel Roshi and the Executive Director of Two Arrows Zen in Utah. She integrates contemplative practice with leading-edge skills in dialogue and conflict resolution. Diane is known for bringing a rare blend of clarity, warmth, humor, and rigor to some of our most difficult conversations around crisis, race, religion, gender, politics, and other charged social issues, revealing how even the most entrenched conflicts can become opportunities for compassion, understanding, and transformation.
Books and Courses by the Author
Other Books and Music Mentioned by Devendra
- John Coltrane’s A Love Supreme
- Sam Cooke
- Ray Charles
- The Essential Rumi
- Cultivating the Empty Field (The Silent Illumination of Zen Buddhist Master Hongzhi)
- Zen Roots translated by Red Pine
- Finding Radical Wholeness by Ken Wilber








